EPW035172 ENGLAND (1931). A double-headed passenger train steaming north towards Watford, Carpenders Park, 1931

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Title [EPW035172] A double-headed passenger train steaming north towards Watford, Carpenders Park, 1931
Reference EPW035172
Date May-1931
Link
Place name CARPENDERS PARK
Parish WATFORD RURAL
District
Country ENGLAND
Easting / Northing 511785, 193607
Longitude / Latitude -0.38476888533137, 51.629688426205
National Grid Reference TQ118936

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The running plate on this loco has two extra shaped sections to clear the coupling rods whereas the Midland Railway favoured the straight raised portion. Therefore this loco has to have been built by the L.N.W.R.

John Wass
Wednesday 13th of May 2015 03:35:13 PM
The train engine is a Royal Scot Class 3 cylinder 4-6-0 locomotive, rated at 6P. This class was built between 1927 and 30, one batch by the North British Locomotive Company and the final twenty by the LMS it own works in Derby. The distinctive parallel boiler is seen well here. In 1933 one of the class visited the Century of Progress Exhibition in Chicago, assuming the identity of 6100 Royal Scot, which, along with a bell on the front footplate, remained with engine for the rest of its working life. As is normal railway practice, the smaller engine is in front of the larger engine. The Compound is clearly steaming well and producing clean white exhaust (mostly steam) as it is not being fired at the time. We can seen both the driver and the fireman watching the 'road' ahead. The Royal Scot is also in good steam, with just a wisp of spare steam coming from the safety valve. However, the greater protection offered by the more modern cab on this locomotive makes it difficult to see the activity on the footplate.

Maurice
Sunday 9th of June 2013 06:46:12 AM
The leading locomotive appears to be one of the large class of 195, 4-4-0 compound engines built for/by the LMS between 1924 - 1932. These were based on the previous Midland compounds, with 3 cylinders being two low pressure outside cylinders and one high pressure inside cylinder. Their power rating was 4P.

Maurice
Sunday 9th of June 2013 06:28:32 AM
Sorry Maurice, but MB has it correct in that the leading engine is an ex-LNWR engine. There's evidence of a nameplate around the leading spasher too. It's clearly not a 'compound' as there are no outside cylinders, and they weren't named!



Isleworth1961
Thursday 13th of June 2013 12:48:53 PM
Modern rolling stock - this coach appears to be a buffet car

MB
Saturday 15th of December 2012 10:22:41 AM
More likely a kitchen (front end) restaurant car. I think you can see the white tablecloths in the windows! The concept of a buffet car was not that well formed in the early 1930s "Hampers (with pre-packed picnics) were in a sense precursors of the modern buffet car, a vehicle which did not really achieve any great significance until the 1903s and which did not really come into its own until the modern day." Jenkinson, D. "The history of British Railway Carriages 1900-1953" p 205.

Maurice
Friday 7th of June 2013 08:13:25 AM
In addition to my previous comments on the "buffet car" suggestion of MB's, the inscription on the side is not clear enough to read, but could well be Kitchen Car (but possible equally well be Buffet Car). However the double doors between the first and second windows from the front and the amount of ventilation on the roof suggests that some serious cooking was going on in this part of the train.

Maurice
Sunday 9th of June 2013 06:51:09 AM

Chris Willis
Friday 14th of December 2012 11:47:20 PM

Chris Willis
Friday 14th of December 2012 11:46:34 PM

Chris Willis
Friday 14th of December 2012 11:45:52 PM
London Transport lines, alongside main line

Chris Willis
Thursday 13th of December 2012 11:34:09 PM

User Comment Contributions

The pilot locomotive may be a member of George Whale's 'Precursor' class, built at Crewe between 1904 and 1907. By the 1930s they were becoming obsolete with the introduction of Stanier's 'Black Fives'

MB
Sunday 9th of June 2013 06:53:17 AM
It is more likely to be a LMS compound (see more detailed comment elsewhere).

Maurice
Sunday 9th of June 2013 06:53:17 AM
I suppose it's a toss-up between this picture of the LMS double-headed train heading towards Watford in 1931 and the slightly earlier one of the Johnson 3P class near Burton-upon-Trent. However, I shall show my southern (Watford/Hertfordshire) bias and plump for the former image for inclusion in next year's publication!

John Swain
Thursday 16th of May 2013 03:23:57 PM
You're local like me John? I'd go for this one too!



Yours, Katy

Katy Whitaker
Thursday 16th of May 2013 03:23:57 PM
A classic image from The Age of Steam which is sure to appeal to Railway buffs, particularly those of London-Midland-Scottish persuasion!!

John Swain
Tuesday 14th of May 2013 10:26:22 AM
A view looking east-north-east towards the area south of Sherwoods Wood before the arrival of the mid-thirties suburban development of Carpenders Park. In the left foreground is the eastern extremity of the once-famous Oxhey Golf Course (1912-1952), prior to the building of Prestwick Road and the LCC estate at South Oxhey (1946-1952).

The original railway lines were constructed in 1837 and the later additions came in 1913, when the Bakerloo Line was eventually extended from Willesden Junction to Watford Junction four years later.

John Swain
Tuesday 14th of May 2013 10:22:54 AM
I'd hazard a guess and say somewhere south of Bushey on the main line out of Euston. The nearest pair of tracks are the Watford DC electrified lines and the LMS train seems to be on the down fast.

BrianM
Wednesday 2nd of January 2013 01:22:25 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions everyone, I'm happy to accept this as TQ117937 area i.e. on the main line south of the Bushey/Oxhey water-troughs. The previous images taken by Aerofilms Ltd were over Watford and Bushey. We'll update the catalogue and post the new data here in due course.



Yours, Katy

Britain from Above Cataloguing Team Leader

Katy Whitaker
Wednesday 2nd of January 2013 01:22:25 PM
To continue, is that the mile post near the end of the second carriage, in line with the second (closer) underpass?



The signal post is a problem. (Map shows after second track). I think the visible post is the next telegraph pole.

Chris Willis
Friday 14th of December 2012 11:41:12 PM
Possible position south of Watford heath. 1930s map shows six tracks. Also pedestrian underpass which seems to survive.



http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html?coords=511744,193850 1935 1:2500 map seems a pretty good fit

Chris Willis
Friday 14th of December 2012 11:12:25 PM
The locomotives are clearly London Midland and Scottish Railway, the pilot engine appears to be a 4-4-0 with the train engine I think being a Royal Scot class 4-6-0. Judging by presence of main and relief lines and the LT electrified lines, somewhere on the main lines out of Euston to the north west of London?

Toby Clempson
Friday 14th of December 2012 01:38:24 PM